[00:00:00] Lisa Woolfork: Hello stitches. Welcome to stitch, please. The official podcast of black women's stitch, the sewing group, where black lives matter. I'm your host Lisa woo fork. I'm a fourth generation sewing enthusiast with more than 20 years of sewing experience. I am looking forward to today's conversation. So sit back, relax, and get ready to get your stitch together.
[00:00:55] Lisa Woolfork: Hello everybody. And welcome to a special episode of this stitch please podcast. This [00:01:00] is called sewing. Sisters and no, it is not my sisters because they are not about that sew in life. But , um, there are two sewing sisters that are in black women's stitch as charter members and they are Sierra and sore Barrell and I am honored and delighted that they are here with us today.
[00:01:19] Lisa Woolfork: Sore and Sierra have a very special place in my heart because they attended the very first beach week, uh, retreat that I held in. Oh my gosh. Was it 2019? Was it 2019? Was it no? 20 18, 20 18, 20 18. It's see, this is why I put it on the cup. Start, by the way I had the very first retreat and these two women were coming.
[00:01:46] Lisa Woolfork: They were coming from different states, but they were sisters. And I was like, this will be nice that they'll know, they'll know each other and stuff. And they were such a delight and such a gift the entire weekend, the entire week. They were just beautiful [00:02:00] souls and it was a real blessing to get to know them.
[00:02:03] Lisa Woolfork: And they taught me about PDF patterns. And Sierra told me about Insta stories again, which I had been trying to learn. Um, so like all of these things and just their just beautiful resolute spirit of creativity and love and sisterhood. And so one of the things I wanted to talk with them, I wanted to welcome them to the program today and to thank them for all that they have already done and thanking them again for generously being here today.
[00:02:31] Lisa Woolfork: So thank you both so much.
[00:02:34] Sone Seere: Yeah, it's a, the honor is ours and we received that love and sent it right back to you. We had such a great time and were honored to be a part of the, uh, inaugural class that's right. Of, uh, black women's stitch and beach week. And. We had an absolute ball. It was, it was a cool exchange.
[00:02:56] Sone Seere: When you think about like being able to share stuff, and then [00:03:00] the, the things that we learned from one another and really foreign some bonds that there was no way we could even have expected all of that. So, yes. Thanks for including us. Yes.
[00:03:10] Lisa Woolfork: Thank you. Thank you. I wanna get started with one of the first stories that I believe you all told about your sisterhood, and that is how Sierra got her name.
[00:03:25] Lisa Woolfork: I love this story. So you have to say how Sierra
[00:03:30] Sone Seere: got her name. You wanna start Sierra? No, I
[00:03:34] Sierra Burrell: think, I think you should start because I, you were there.
[00:03:38] Sone Seere: You can chime in when you want. So Sierra and I are eight years apart. And I remember, so there's a sibling in between us, our brother. And so it was my brother and I, or two years apart, hanging out, carrying on in life.
[00:03:56] Sone Seere: And around seven years old, I decided that [00:04:00] I wanted a baby sister. This was a solo thought mission and desire, but it was something that early on, I believed that I could have what I wanted right. With reason. So I began the only way I knew how to manifest things at seven is to pray about it. So I literally would just include it in my prayers, share this idea with my parents.
[00:04:24] Sone Seere: I don't remember a response from them, which means that they probably did not respond, but yeah, it was just a thing and I believed that it would happen. And I had no reason to believe that it wouldn't at seven. So I remember my mom. I can still see what she had on it was this really cute blue and white pajama set, uh, nightgown.
[00:04:47] Sone Seere: And she had come back from the doctor. She hadn't been feeling good. She had the flu. And I remember I came around the corner. I'm like, you're pregnant. And I think I just skipped her [00:05:00] away and she's looking and sure enough, she thought she had the flu. She had gone to the doctor and she was like, your flu has a heartbeat.
[00:05:06] Sone Seere: And
[00:05:08] Sierra Burrell: that was
[00:05:08] Sone Seere: me. It was the era. And then I guess, because they were just thanking me and I'm not gonna say blaming, but they were giving me the credit so they also allowed me to name her. So at seven, I decided that Sierra was the name that we were going with. I think it might have had something to do with the mountain range, but I can't remember it was 31, uh, years ago.
[00:05:35] Sone Seere: So yeah, Sierra's here
[00:05:38] Sierra Burrell: and I'm really thankful that you were a wise child, cuz I could have been like green crayon and I'm so
[00:05:44] Sone Seere: think denim could have been named, you could have been
[00:05:47] Lisa Woolfork: named, I'm just saying, been named instead of Sierra Barrell you could have been named flu Barre. promised sauce that she could do the naming and she was like, [00:06:00] mommy, you thought you had the flu
[00:06:03] Sone Seere: maybe we should name the baby
[00:06:05] Sierra Burrell: flu.
[00:06:06] Sierra Burrell: And then right,
[00:06:06] Lisa Woolfork: good point. She would have to go through all these shenanigans to say, you can give the baby a special in the house, only name, but not the birth. Right? Like you'd have to like backtrack on what she had promised, but thankfully SOE head vision. And yes. In addition to self actualizing, a sister praying up a literal sister being her life.
[00:06:29] Lisa Woolfork: She also had the foresight to name you quite beautifully.
[00:06:31] Sierra Burrell: So thank you. She's so sweet.
[00:06:35] Lisa Woolfork: But I was pregnant with my second Riley was calling a baby, uh, SpongeBob square diaper. And I was like calling that as much as you want. That's not, that's not a real name. The dis
[00:06:46] Sone Seere: the disrespect
[00:06:47] Sierra Burrell: though. No way. Yeah.
[00:06:49] Lisa Woolfork: I was like, oh my goodness.
[00:06:51] Lisa Woolfork: It's not an actual name for a baby, whatever you want.
[00:06:54] Sone Seere: Oh, oh gosh. That is
[00:06:56] Lisa Woolfork: hilarious. So tell me about like your, you all's [00:07:00] creative, do you creative visions? So I, I know at, at eight years apart that is, can be considered so kind of substantial distance, but it feels like your creative, your creative spirits have been like woven together in some ways for me.
[00:07:12] Lisa Woolfork: I mean, it's because I know you all as a. I got to meet you as this beautiful, robust, creative pair who, when you all were sitting together at retreat, you like you would bounce ideas off each other. Or let me take a little piece of that and you can put it on this thing that you're making. How do you imagine sisterhood as a, as a family concept shapes your creativity as individuals and as a team?
[00:07:37] Sierra Burrell: That's an excellent question. I think we really do balance each other out. It's interesting to see how we influence each other, because I think we're both kind of sewing rebels. Like I know
[00:07:48] Sone Seere: that there's rules, but are there,
[00:07:52] Sierra Burrell: I think sea lounge is our suggestions. Um, yes,
[00:07:56] Sone Seere: but
[00:07:57] Sierra Burrell: I, I think that we bring out a [00:08:00] lot in each other.
[00:08:01] Sierra Burrell: I. Very much, like I'm gonna follow these directions, I'm gonna sew this thing cuz that's how I learned how to sew. So veering on from that was like very scary. And I'm like, I, no, I'm just gonna follow the instructions. I might skip one, but I'm, I'm gonna just follow them in general. and Ray is, I'm just gonna try to draft a pattern and I'm like a, what who does that, or even like doing different hacks and, and things of that nature.
[00:08:26] Sierra Burrell: But I'm glad that we are able to share this, this creative journey and creative practice because she will have a completely different perspective and it helps me and in my creative practice. So let's me loosen up a little bit and say, you know what? Yeah, there's a directions, but it's a guide. I don't have to follow it.
[00:08:44] Sierra Burrell: Like it's very strict instructions. So she helps me let loose a little. And I help reel her in sometimes, cuz I'm like, that's,
[00:08:53] Sone Seere: that's been tricky. Maybe you wanna try something else. But I, I think
[00:08:57] Sierra Burrell: that it's definitely [00:09:00] strengthened our relationship and it's something that we can always talk about no matter what, whether we're in person over the phone, I'm it doesn't matter where we are.
[00:09:10] Sierra Burrell: I can be in the airport just talking to her about sewing. Yeah. I love having that bond. Yes.
[00:09:16] Sone Seere: Yeah. I'll also piggyback on the, the balancing out because we end up being able to augment each other's style. I. Very much. My earlier sewing experiences allowed a little bit more of pattern drafting or approaching things when I didn't have, I didn't even know what patterns were.
[00:09:37] Sone Seere: So I think it mimics my other artistic style of sort of experimentation. And while there's, that's my style and it, I fits me Sierra's perspective, which I think her brain is much more in tune with the scientific part than mine. Mm-hmm . And it's been nice to be able to bounce things off of her [00:10:00] that I'll have this vision for something.
[00:10:02] Sone Seere: And the technical aspect I'll go to her like Sierra, all right. I want this kind of pan. I went like this, but I don't need this part to be this way. And she, the way her brain works is very technical in this pet. She might wanna switch this piece. So I've been able to even. With the technical aspects and the tips and things that she brings, I'm better able to bring like a vision that I have for something to life.
[00:10:30] Sone Seere: And then inversely. Sometimes if she has a, a technical thing and there's some creative problem she has to solve, I'll be like, oh, why don't you do this? Or use this or color block if you don't have like enough. So it's really cool.
[00:10:45] Lisa Woolfork: No, that's so beautiful. And I love this kind of this dialogue that you all have, where you are able to supplement each other that it's not about, oh, I have this lack or I have this limitation.
[00:10:57] Lisa Woolfork: It's that? I just don't know how to get there yet. [00:11:00] Yeah. I know somebody who will help me get there and that somebody is, is just at the end of the. You know, right. Like, exactly. And that is really wonderful. When you think about your sewing journeys, who do you think who started sewing first? Did you all start this simultaneously or did, what did was one person like, I really wanna dive into doing more sewing.
[00:11:24] Lisa Woolfork: Like how does, what is your sewing story? Ray
[00:11:28] Sierra Burrell: definitely started sewing before me, but I think. For, for me, I just to be a hundred percent honest, like I was like in a heartbreak situation and I was like, oh, and I was like, I need something to do with my time feeling
[00:11:45] Lisa Woolfork: it is healing. And people talk about sewing his therapy.
[00:11:48] Lisa Woolfork: I like therapy for my therapy, but right. That too sewing and therapeutic it is that sick. It can be something that's definitely healing and restorative. Absolutely.
[00:11:58] Sone Seere: Absolutely. Yeah. So it Def [00:12:00] it
[00:12:00] Sierra Burrell: came at a time where I, I needed an outlet, but also where I had started my career and was really frustrated with the options that I had and that I could find in store.
[00:12:11] Sierra Burrell: And I'm like, if it does come in my size, it's not the color I want. So I jumped in or we're expensive or it just doesn't fit. So I jumped into sewing then combining those things. And so while Ray had started beforehand, She jumped back in after I jumped in. Absolutely. And she can tell you about her journey to sewing
[00:12:33] Sone Seere: yeah, that's a good segue.
[00:12:35] Sone Seere: I think the very first time I sewed, I think I was about six or seven and had been signed up for a sewing, a basic sewing class with one of my cousins. And I think we ended up making a pillow and very basic things. And I remember that foundation and I remember even at that age being like, why do I need to know all this?
[00:12:55] Sone Seere: Like I remember it being in the class and thinking like, all right, can we get on the sew machine? But they were [00:13:00] still, I remember it's the first time I saw scene gauge and I immediately decided it was something I didn't need. And I thought it was extra, you know, but it gave me a foundation and I didn't know that I would come back to it.
[00:13:12] Sone Seere: It was very basic. Yeah. I didn't really sew for a long time after that. I don't think it was a conscious decision. I just was doing other things. And then sewing popped up back for me in undergrad. I was, uh, part of an African dance group. And for one of step shows for homecoming, I went to North Carolina, a and T shout out to Aggie pride, a pride.
[00:13:33] Sone Seere: And yeah, it's here as Aggie too. And we were a part of, one of the steps shows and we did this whole Michael Jackson. Remember the time skit or whole it was in production. Let me just be clear and for some reason, so we had to think about costumes and then when you like quietly, put your finger up and start saying stuff, oh, she knows what or so she's gonna make her costumes.
[00:13:57] Sone Seere: And I'm like, what? [00:14:00] So
[00:14:00] Lisa Woolfork: like I made a pillow and I didn't even,
[00:14:04] Sone Seere: and now I made, I made a pillow in a class 10 years ago, I'm making everybody's costume school. So I just took it on. That's the other thing, sometimes my fearlessness places me into, uh, situations where I'm taking stuff on and then finding out how to do it later.
[00:14:22] Sone Seere: W really with the women's costumes, it was more about draping. Now that I'm thinking about that we were draping things cuz it was this Egyptian yes. Of kind of motif. And so I helped everybody with the draping, but the men I had to make like headbands and then like loin cloth. So they had on like biker shorts underneath, but legitimately I was, I was gonna say I had to, but I, I got you.
[00:14:46] Sone Seere: It's like I got, I had to measure everybody's weight and it's undergrad and it's the alphas and it's just like, yeah, I'm measuring. Okay. Who's next? I, but those were like, that was the, what I didn't [00:15:00] realize was pattern drafting and measuring and figuring out E elastic. And I got through it ended up, I used the glue gun at some point during that.
[00:15:08] Sone Seere: I don't know what you pro you projected. That's what you did. IJs costume stayed. And so that I remember started me back into sewing, but more pattern drafting cuz also my African dance group, we made our own costumes. Okay. There were no patterns. And so we were just measuring, figuring out draping and stuff.
[00:15:28] Sone Seere: And I had no clue like at that time, anything about the pattern world. So see, I saw her beginning, not beginning, but continuing to find her voice and finding a, an outlet and even like this sewing as a tool for empowerment. Yes. And as I saw her doing that, I was like, and she brought my goodness
[00:15:51] Sierra Burrell: what I call in my Alicia voice.
[00:15:53] Sone Seere: Oh, sorry. Yeah. So it was good to see that process. And she brought this millennial [00:16:00] perspective cuz you know, remember everything that I learned was like back in, I guess that was the, was that the eighties, you know, I'm the eighties. So she's talking to me about all the new stuff and like. Indie pattern companies and fabric and S size, inclu inclusivity.
[00:16:15] Sone Seere: And I was like, what? I'm used to these little tissue paper joints. And she started talking about things like a rotary cutter, like in paints. And I just was like, and I saw this like spark in her. And I was like, I want some of that. So she really pulled us back in and we started humbly with the Mimi G academy.
[00:16:36] Sone Seere: Oh, we started there and it was like very quickly. We're like, all right, we got the foundation, we're moving on, learned some great stuff, but then took off into the indie pattern world. And it's been fabulous since then. So yeah, she, she brought me back in and we structured way.
[00:16:53] Lisa Woolfork: You're listening to the stitch please.
[00:16:55] Lisa Woolfork: Podcast today's topic is sewing sisters, and I am talking with [00:17:00] so Ray and Sierra Burrell stay tuned as they talk more about independent patterns and what it means to be a revel after the break, the stitch please podcast is really growing. Um, I wanna thank you for listening to the podcast and ask a favor.
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[00:18:04] Lisa Woolfork: Welcome back to the stitch please. Podcast today's episode is sewing sisters, and I'm speaking with Sierra and SA Ray Barrell in our next portion. We're gonna talk about what it means for them when they call themselves sewing rebels and what they also mean when they say your body is your canvas here, we.
[00:18:26] Lisa Woolfork: So, but with the structure of the indie pattern world, it still seems to allow you the kind of artistic flexibility and range that you enjoy SAE. And it allows Sierra to experiment and stretch her wings as well with being all the testing that you do, Sierra yeah. Like all of the work that you do to help pattern companies be better.
[00:18:49] Lisa Woolfork: I really think that's incredibly generous labor that you are giving these companies. I, I think that anyone who tests is, excuse me, giving gen generous labor, but can you talk about that? About the [00:19:00] questions of creative extension that I think we find in the indie pattern community that I don't think is I think that the big four patterns just aren't hungry in the same way that indie patterns are.
[00:19:14] Lisa Woolfork: And maybe it's because they've been around since, you know, the 1920s, when you have a hundred years or so of an institution behind you, it can make you rigid. And UNEC in. And they're starting to thaw out a little bit, but the indie patterns have they started from a totally different point. Can you talk a bit Sierra about some of the testing that you have done for people like, or even the modeling for cashmere?
[00:19:38] Lisa Woolfork: Like I was saying on the, in the call y'all before we got started, I was like, I was gonna wear my Appleton dress in honor of the Burl sisters who both made an Appleton dress at beach week. And it was such a hit that I think almost everybody who was part of that first group has made an Appleton dress. I think they should just call it a Sierra and San at this point.
[00:19:59] Lisa Woolfork: Talk about [00:20:00] naming things. So can you talk a bit about when you get started, um, with KRA or what pattern testing brings to the community overall?
[00:20:09] Sierra Burrell: Yeah. KARE
[00:20:11] Sone Seere: is one of the first indie
[00:20:13] Sierra Burrell: pattern companies that I actually made a pattern from.
[00:20:17] Sone Seere: And a lot of that had to do with the fact that I
[00:20:20] Sierra Burrell: looked at the. The measurement chart.
[00:20:23] Sierra Burrell: And I was like, oh, my body fits in this because there was this excitement, oh my gosh, indie patterns, and it's this, you can print it off. And I get really excited. And then I, I look at the size chart and I'm like, oh, that's not
[00:20:35] Sone Seere: that's okay.
[00:20:36] Sierra Burrell: Cool. And I was, I was smaller at the time. So it was an even different experience than maybe where I am now.
[00:20:44] Sierra Burrell: So when I saw that, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna try this. And I got so excited when I, I printed out the first pattern and I was like, I can do this. I can lay this out. I can put this together. And they, they have grid lines, which is helpful for somebody like me, who, who needs to line up more than one point [00:21:00] on a page for it to work
[00:21:02] Sierra Burrell: So I, I, I don't even know what my first cash rent pattern was, but it fit so well. And it was so easy and there was a so long and I was like, oh, this ISY sewing. This is . I, I can go to the website and I can see this so long and there's pictures and you can look at hashtags. And that's when I realized there's an entire community here.
[00:21:26] Sierra Burrell: There's a community of people making clothes that fit their body. And it was so exciting. Cash rent always has a special place in my heart. Like my boobs fit in it. And I don't have to do a full bus adjustment every time because I, I can do one, but I, I prefer to not have to, especially not like a, a pretty large one, because then it gets into other stuff that I don't know how to change, but I was living in Massachusetts at the time and they had an in-person workshop cuz they they're a Boston based company.
[00:21:59] Sierra Burrell: And [00:22:00] so they had the in-person workshop and I told Ray before I went and I was like, my goal is to model for cashmere. I dunno how it's gonna happen. Yep.
[00:22:09] Sone Seere: She named it. Talk about manifestation. This
[00:22:12] Lisa Woolfork: is, this is apparently what you all do. salsa. A pattern. Yeah. Salsa. Ray wanted a sister. Bam. Hello. Hi Sierra.
[00:22:21] Lisa Woolfork: Nice to meet you. And then Sierra grew up like I wanna model for cashmere. Bam. Now she's on. I did the Appleton. Okay. Continue. I'm sorry. I'm just excited. Oh no,
[00:22:31] Sierra Burrell: you're fine. Yeah. I'm excited too. It was cause I, I was, I was doing a lot of fangirling and it was really cool to meet Jenny and Ayla and, and Carrie and everybody was just so nice.
[00:22:45] Sierra Burrell: And I was like, oh, I like this. And then Jimmy was like, oh yeah, if you wanna, if you wanna model for us. And I'm like, what
[00:22:54] Sone Seere: I was so excited. I
[00:22:54] Sierra Burrell: was like the whole accomplished, but it was a really cool experience. Cause I'd never done anything like that [00:23:00] before. And I got to model the, the Lennox shirt dress and the Springfield top.
[00:23:06] Sierra Burrell: And what's funny is I have printed out the Lenox shirt dress. I printed out like the sleeveless edition, the long sleeve edition, the regular one I have yet to make it. And I don't know what that's about, but you know what, because this is happening now. I'm vowing that in the next month I'm gonna make it because.
[00:23:25] Sierra Burrell: I love it. And I am not gonna be intimidated by it anymore. I'm just gonna make, it's gonna be
[00:23:29] Lisa Woolfork: great. I made the Lennox shirt dress because you were on the cover. So, oh,
[00:23:36] Sone Seere: I love
[00:23:37] Lisa Woolfork: that so much. I did make it. I did make it. I still need to do some adjustments and stuff on it, but I, I was like, my friend's on this pattern.
[00:23:45] Lisa Woolfork: I gotta make this pattern come to find out, come to find out my friend didn't even make the dog on for that I wanted to know before I committed myself making it. But alright. Yeah.
[00:23:56] Sierra Burrell: Little known fact, but but I love that y'all [00:24:00] you're so supportive. I that's one of the things I love about black women, stitch.
[00:24:03] Sierra Burrell: The most supportive group of people that I've, I've met, like period, like even outside of selling so that it makes me happy. And you were asking about testing. So it was another one of those things where I didn't understand at first I'm like, what do you mean pattern testing? What is that? And so I didn't understand exactly how to be involved with it or anything mm-hmm but I remember like sometimes pattern companies will have a tester call or like you fill out a form, if you wanna be a pattern tester mm-hmm
[00:24:36] Sierra Burrell: And I really started because I was like, you know what? I just started sewing. There's a lot of stuff that I just don't know. And I think that it's important that if you have these people who want to try out your pattern or want to do this, I think you should be able to let it be pretty approachable yeah.
[00:24:53] Sierra Burrell: To people. And I understand every pattern is not. Beginner friendly, but you have people like me who are just like, I'm just gonna make [00:25:00] it. Yeah. It's gonna make jeans. Yeah. Fearless. It's just more steps. That's right. And, but I love that because I think we can get caught up in how hard something is supposed to be.
[00:25:10] Sierra Burrell: Like my first ment was a knit and I remember somebody being like, oh my gosh, it was a knit. And I'm like, am I supposed to be afraid of knits
[00:25:18] Lisa Woolfork: girl? There are that. There's so much fear in everything. And I can't figure out if this is because women do it or what, but this idea of fear in sewing, people who are afraid of their surges Lord, people who are afraid of, and I'm like, wait a minute, did the machine buy you?
[00:25:36] Lisa Woolfork: Or did you buy the machine? Because, Ooh, I like it. I'm trying to understand what you're afraid of because you sound like you're a grown ass woman who has a job and knows how to drive a car. And that's way more scary than a
[00:25:48] Sierra Burrell: that's very true. Yeah, I like that though. I'd like to approach someone from a fearless perspective.
[00:25:53] Sierra Burrell: So
[00:25:54] Sone Seere: I wanted to give that
[00:25:55] Sierra Burrell: sort of perspective. And then from there became trying to be a, [00:26:00] a champion for more people to be able to have this pattern, it fitting more bodies. And so then I almost felt like I had an obligation than since I was vocal about it to then be a part of the solution. So if you're gonna expand your size range, okay.
[00:26:15] Sierra Burrell: Let me be a part of the testers for that. Yeah. And, but
[00:26:18] Sone Seere: I, I, I really do
[00:26:19] Sierra Burrell: enjoy it
[00:26:20] Sone Seere: because I love a well tested pattern.
[00:26:25] Sierra Burrell: I love when people give honest feedback and it's incorporated into the final pattern and some of that feedback might just be, oh, it's not my style. Okay, cool. Thanks. But when it's actually like critical feedback, like this step doesn't make sense or yes.
[00:26:40] Sierra Burrell: I know I cut this out perfectly. These notches aren't lining up, like, yes. Yes. Oh, I love a well tested pattern. So I, I try to be. Somebody who gives pretty good feedback. And I know it's not always the most amazing feedback because time management, but I like to be a part of the solution. And sometimes when, if you have [00:27:00] somebody who has a completely different body for mine, but they want somebody like me in their pattern, they don't always think about the same things.
[00:27:08] Sierra Burrell: Like I always think about, okay, where are you gonna put this bus apex? And do I need to adjust it? Yes, that's right. That's right. Or even just, okay. So my body is bigger. My head is not, so let's maybe
[00:27:21] Sone Seere: make the hood. like regular size head.
[00:27:25] Sierra Burrell: I do have a large head, but, but me too, I, I love being able to do that.
[00:27:29] Sierra Burrell: And it's funny cuz whenever I'm talking to my mom she's are you testing something again? I'm like
[00:27:34] Lisa Woolfork: I'm you got your mom into the
[00:27:38] Sone Seere: Ling. There's slight shade
[00:27:40] Sierra Burrell: to be very shady. Um, but I, I love pattern testing. I am trying to do a little bit less just so I can really just make what I want. Yes. Um, yes,
[00:27:52] Lisa Woolfork: but I love it.
[00:27:53] Lisa Woolfork: I feel like you're giving such a powerful gift and it's so funny. I wanna go back to some of the things you were saying before, like we call it indie [00:28:00] patterns or independent patterns, but something that you, something that your explanation reveals is that they're independently manufactured, right?
[00:28:08] Lisa Woolfork: They're not from a giant company, but there is a huge, but you're not lonely. It's a huge community that you're participating in. So even to call it independent pattern companies is a bit of a misnomer mm-hmm because the, although they don't have a giant corporate structure, they don't have a workroom full of pattern graders and sewists, and those kind of things.
[00:28:32] Lisa Woolfork: They have a whole global community of people who are making patterns, selling patterns, giving advice. There's the, so alongs the hashtags, you can find the support that you need. I've sewn patterns from companies that are based in Australia that I never would've just stumbled upon.
[00:28:51] Sierra Burrell: If I was
[00:28:52] Lisa Woolfork: slipping through the books at, at a mainstream fabric store, you know what I'm saying?
[00:28:55] Lisa Woolfork: I never would've. Absolutely. And so these are the things that I think is so [00:29:00] beautiful about sewing community, and that's why the work that you're doing there is. So I think it's so important at the same time. You've also gotta preserve your own time because if you spend all your time testing patterns, When do you get to sew for your own happiness?
[00:29:16] Lisa Woolfork: And of course, I'm sure the absolutely part of that's great, but like sometimes you just wanna like, not be working at least me. I wanna, yeah,
[00:29:24] Sierra Burrell: no, you're right. Yeah. I, I think that as my sewing practice evolves, my approach does as well. I've had like good testing experiences and not so great testing experiences.
[00:29:35] Sierra Burrell: So I under, I'm starting to understand, this is what I like about testing, and this is what I don't. And there's also been a huge shift to compensate pattern testers. Yes, yes. Which I, I, I think it's great. And I very excited about that and I, I look at it like, okay, you were saying, it's a gift and it's yeah.
[00:29:54] Sierra Burrell: It's, it's a huge gift. And I understand that everybody's at a different place. So what they're able to offer is gonna be [00:30:00] different, but then I can make the decision if I wanna do it or not. If I look at it, like when it comes to Luna and broad or cash, Marette. There's a 99.9% chance that I'm gonna buy that pattern anyway.
[00:30:12] Sierra Burrell: yeah. So I'm like, okay, I'm probably gonna test that if they ask me to test it or just knowing that yeah. I love it. Whatever this pattern is, that's gonna come out or that they're testing, but you know what, I'm gonna wait till it comes out and I'm just gonna buy it and that's okay. And it's no love loss.
[00:30:26] Sierra Burrell: No. Cause I also think it's important to switch that testing pool up. Yeah.
[00:30:30] Lisa Woolfork: You know? Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I think that if someone is, I think that I really love your claim Sierra about beginners as testers, because yeah. Not every pattern of course is beginner friendly, but there are certain steps that beginners might need that you, yes.
[00:30:51] Lisa Woolfork: That I don't know, there's a certain form of unique feedback that you can get from a beginner then you, because you can, we can figure it out. Like if it doesn't mm-hmm [00:31:00] yeah. We can do this differently or whatever, or as, uh, SARE believes that instructions are. Suggestions
[00:31:06] Sone Seere: suggestions, too guidelines. the
[00:31:09] Sierra Burrell: suggestions and me, and I'm gonna look at the cutting layout every time I am not good at pattern Teris you don't San is like a pattern Teris like level, whatever pattern the top level is and I'm over here.
[00:31:20] Sierra Burrell: Wait, so where's the fold. Is
[00:31:22] Sone Seere: this the right side of the like, so I'm gonna look at the pattern
[00:31:26] Sierra Burrell: layout. So I'm gonna get feedback on. Or the cutting layout, but some people that's something that some people don't care that much about, but from my experience, it is so important because I can't stand when I, I get the right amount of fabric and I go and I just start cutting.
[00:31:40] Sierra Burrell: I don't really lay it all out. I just start cutting. Yeah. That's that? Yeah. That, and then you get
[00:31:45] Lisa Woolfork: to the end and you're like, oh wait, but I need two sleeves though. only
[00:31:49] Sierra Burrell: have one.
[00:31:50] Sone Seere: So
[00:31:51] Sierra Burrell: then I go to San to razor. I'm like, I'll just cover block. It's fine. Yeah, I can sew. That's fine.
[00:31:57] Lisa Woolfork: Okay. That's great. Uh, you were talking before [00:32:00] about being sewing rebels and I, I love that idea of the idea of sewing as a tool of liberation, of helping to open your artistic process.
[00:32:09] Lisa Woolfork: Have you found that sewing plays a role in any of your other artistic endeavors? I know you do a lot of painting, little paintings, small things that can fit on the four corners of a page. And most recently you all an actual building. A mural. Yeah. On a building in Richmond, Virginia, that she, um, and a collaborator did, there was hard hats involved.
[00:32:33] Lisa Woolfork: There was a hydraulic lift. My nerves, my nerves were toe up from the flow up and I was not even there. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna wait until she's done. Um, and is off the thing. Um, before I look at any more photos because, uh, my nerves are the way my nerves are set up. I cannot imagine my friends in what I consider dangerous situations and be okay.
[00:32:56] Lisa Woolfork: But my friend did not think she was in a dangerous situation. How was [00:33:00] that? Like how was not just painting the mural? Which of course I can. I love to hear about that, but how do you imagine, like sewing and garment construction, draping color blocking, does that shape in any way the other, your other work that you do with, um, painting and design
[00:33:18] Sone Seere: very much.
[00:33:19] Sone Seere: And that's a great question. So yeah, I'm definitely a rebel and. Like foundation of my rebellion has to do with a, a sort of a bigger picture. When I think about life and how we operate in this world. I always, I think we're wildly told to conform to certain things and we'll look at situations and just accept a certain structure or a certain system, and then point the finger back at us.
[00:33:53] Sone Seere: Something's wrong with me? The system is fine as me. And so I'm very much a person that's no, the [00:34:00] system is not working for me. So the system has to adjust to me and it comes from a place of switching into recognizing I'm a human being who's worthy of having their life. I want to have the desires of my heart met.
[00:34:15] Sone Seere: And from early on, like I told you, I, my parents like had me believe that was possible. If it's not working for you, figure out a way. So sewing augments that because if we're talking about, and my sister and I talk about this all the time, how we have been able to completely shift the way that we dress in a way that is empowering, that gives us autonomy.
[00:34:38] Sone Seere: We get to choose the color. We get to choose the fabric, the, the silhouette. And there's a part of that. I particularly like, because I'm very rebellious in the creative expression aspect of even like just everyday life or especially on the job. I am going to be the person. If you, when I, I just started a new job and I'm looking, my main [00:35:00] thing to look for was like, let me see this dress code.
[00:35:02] Sone Seere: Let me see what it says. Let me see how I can, because I think it's important to show up as yourself as your true self. And I think that there's, there's certainly been a shift since I remember like having issues with it when I was in high school about even down to like certain colors that you're supposed to wear on a job interview.
[00:35:20] Sone Seere: And I'm like, how vanilla is that? Sewing really augments my ability to show up as I, as I feel as I am. I get to make that decision and using clothing as expression is huge, I think is huge. And it's, it's something that also augments my other art process, because even just the simple fact that I'm often like painting in public or in places, and I wanna be comfortable and stylish, it allows me to do that.
[00:35:50] Sone Seere: It allows me also to share that with other people like, oh, I like their dress. I know we've all been there. Yes. And it's, I get such excitement and response. So I'm [00:36:00] like, thank you. I made it. And then people have, oh, mind blown. And so then I take that and of course I do a little happy dance, but then I'm like, you can.
[00:36:12] Sone Seere: You can, you too can do that. So I love it's like, where do
[00:36:15] Lisa Woolfork: say both come
[00:36:16] Sone Seere: from, where do you think people make them? And I was about to say, I like giving permission. It's not really giving permission. It's holding up a mirror and, and just encouraging people. You can make these decisions too. Um, you also, if you want this kind of empowerment or you want the freedom to be, allow your body to be your canvas and just express yourself, you can do that too.
[00:36:37] Sone Seere: I, I always had this ongoing campaign about getting people, uh, into the sewing process. So I feel it's like rebel wear, cuz I'm also like very sensory oriented. I remember as a child, a lot of the stuff that, not a lot, but there were things that were out, especially sweaters. I just would have such a hard time, like the, the, the, uh, [00:37:00] fabric content being on my skin and just with even little stuff, like how you have your socks and there's a little line on the socks.
[00:37:07] Sone Seere: Yeah. To see at the toe, if that is off. On my foot. It's a bad day. It's the wrap. It's a bad day. I don't care if I've had to deal with 50,000 other things like, oh, you car accident. No, look at my sock. No, so right. It's like, I'm so sensory
[00:37:26] Lisa Woolfork: oriented. I'm the car has insurance, right? That's fine. But
[00:37:32] Sone Seere: I can't deal.
[00:37:33] Sone Seere: Okay. So I recognize that about myself. So that's the other thing I love about sewing and fabric buying, which we know are two different, different, they're two different hobbies they're related, but are separate comfort during the day. Like being literally being comfortable, whatever I'm doing is also super important.
[00:37:54] Sone Seere: And speaking of comfort, so you're talking about the mural, right? So that is my [00:38:00] first time being up in a, what we call a boom lift. Now I know what you're thinking. What's a boom lift. So if you've ever seen anybody lift go up on a lift and it's sort of like a see visual. If you're not, if you're on the, uh, podcast, I'm making some weird motion with my hands, like X, but a regular right.
[00:38:19] Sone Seere: They're Xs. They go up and they almost like scissors or whatever. The lifts, regular lifts just go up and they come back down the nature of our wall. Oh. Um, meant that we had to have what we call a boom lift. So a boom lift goes up, down left, so it goes up and then it circles around and you can turn it to the side and then there's another lift.
[00:38:41] Sone Seere: So it's like,
[00:38:41] Lisa Woolfork: boom. Well, you're in the air.
[00:38:43] Sone Seere: Why? Oh yeah. Yeah, because what happened is sorry, the wall we're painting on there's it didn't butt up to the parking lot. It was, there's like a. A little gravel area and a sidewalk. So we were having to, if we [00:39:00] just went straight up, we'd be too far from the wall.
[00:39:02] Sone Seere: So we had to go up and then over. And the first time I went up in the lift and my fellow artist, collaborator, Andre, he's a construction worker. So he had this down and everything, and I'm like, still got my harness on. And I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. Where do I clip this to in the lift? And he's off, sort of had his half on or whatever.
[00:39:22] Sone Seere: And that's, he was comfortable in that space. And I was faking like I was, and it's funny because when I went up the first time and I'm so excited, it's my first huge mural like this. And my first thought, when we got up there, I was like, okay, so, sorry. How are you going to tell this man that you not gonna be able to participate in this in making this mural?
[00:39:44] Sone Seere: Like, I really was like, oh, maybe I can just do the bottom part of it and use a ladder. I don't know. But. The feeling of not being grounded drives me nuts. So again, a sensory thing, but it wasn't so much the hype. It was the fact that it was [00:40:00] forever. This, it was forever swaying. Cause you're in the air.
[00:40:03] Lisa Woolfork: Hmm.
[00:40:04] Lisa Woolfork: The swing, that's the thing I can't get
[00:40:06] Sone Seere: over. And then once you, once you, if you're going up on this part and you get to that end, it is like moving. So I really was thinking like, oh, I've told them I'm doing this. I've signed all this paperwork and stuff and I'm gonna have to figure out how to tell them I can't do this.
[00:40:22] Sone Seere: I got back down. And when I tell you I was grounding like a mofo, when I got back down on the ground, cause I was just like, all right, let me feel. I sat on the ground, let me feel the ground. And I am. And I just said to myself, I was like self, this is an opportunity. Don't if we can cuss on hair, please on the podcast.
[00:40:42] Sone Seere: So I was like, thinking about my fear. I'm like, but that you just were up there. It's shaky. And I was like, I just turned to myself. I was like, fuck your fears. You know, like get over it just like fears, you gotta do this, get over it. And so I just pushed through the second time I went up, [00:41:00] I was good once in a hundred percent, but I was like, I can do this.
[00:41:04] Sone Seere: And then by the end of it, I'm running the, the lift myself. Like he showed me how to do it. I would go up on my own. Yeah. I was just like, so
[00:41:12] Sierra Burrell: I will say it still
[00:41:14] Sone Seere: is not the most grounding experience. Cuz then you're also painting. So sometimes I'd be like painting and I'd be swaying. I would paint a little bit and then it would come back and I'm like running outta weight.
[00:41:24] Sone Seere: So it was a lot to get over. Oh my and such a large. Yeah, it was, it was huge. So I just, I had that moment where I was like, I'm gonna be more upset with myself. If I stop doing this is an opportunity. It's saying something big. Yes. Um, we were, um, highlighting two people in Richmond who particularly in the black community were, are all about bringing fresh produce and vegetables and fruit to food deserts.
[00:41:56] Sone Seere: And the young ladies also, uh, doula. And they both like they're [00:42:00] beekeepers and stuff. And I had to keep saying that in my head, focus on your purpose, what you're doing. Yeah. Get over your fears and push through. But it was, uh, it was, my body was tired. Cause you're constantly trying to ground yourself and pick stuff up big class
[00:42:13] Lisa Woolfork: to stay where like, it, it sounds like you're, it sounds like someone had how you have a pendulum with the old fashioned.
[00:42:19] Lisa Woolfork: Like I'm gonna hypnotize you by swinging a yeah. A watch in front of you. It sounds like you were painting, but you were also the watch. Like it would swing forward. Yeah. A little bit. It swings back. Swings forward paint a little bit. Swing back.
[00:42:32] Sone Seere: Yeah. And, and it wasn't always so wildly like that, but the higher you go, the less grounded you are and the wind was blowing.
[00:42:40] Sone Seere: And so it was quite the experience. It took, took me physically to rest because also what happens. And I didn't learn, this is that I remember I was laying down the day after we finished and I still felt like I was doing this. Like I still, my body had the sensation where I was still moving and it did [00:43:00] that for a day and a half.
[00:43:01] Sone Seere: It was bugged out, but I'm glad I listened to the, the voice in me that said push through it. Yeah. I will let you know that I was harnessed up and clipped onto that thing. Okay. Nobody's business every time. Cuz the other thing I was thinking, I was like, sounds sorry if you fall or do something stupid and somebody asked you if you were all hooked in, you're gonna, if you can answer at that point, you're gonna be feeling like stupid.
[00:43:24] Sone Seere: Like I was like, Nope, safety first. That was not a time I chose to rebel. Exactly. So, yeah, it was, it was something else. So
[00:43:34] Lisa Woolfork: that is incredible. That sound you're describing about the feeling you're describing. If that happens, apparently when you go on cruises, like if you are on a cruise ship for a day and then like when you get off and you go to a port or whatever, and you're walking around your body will still feel like you can still feel like you're moving, even if you're standard still, but the outcome is totally worth it.
[00:43:57] Lisa Woolfork: What a gorgeous, [00:44:00] massive tribute. It's a multi over building. It was really tall. It was really high. Yeah. And you, and it's such a beautiful, it's a beautiful tribute. So I'm glad. Thank you. Encouraged. And believed in yourself enough to stick with it because yeah, I would not. I would be like, my part requires being plugged into the sewing machine.
[00:44:23] Lisa Woolfork: I, I guess I could stay it. I guess I could sew with my sew machine at a standing desk and just move my foot up and down. But that's pretty much as far as I'm willing to go in terms of changing my particular approach to my craft. I don't think I'll be doing anything that requires me sewing on top of like a two story, three story building exposed to the elements or anything that involves swaying.
[00:44:46] Lisa Woolfork: That's a no, no, for me
[00:44:48] Sone Seere: dog a no, for
[00:44:50] Lisa Woolfork: as we start to wrap up, this has been a beautiful conversation. I want to, I'm eager to hear what you all have planned. What are your next big sewing [00:45:00] things, your next big making things Sierra, I saw that you did alive with my body model. And I know you've had that for quite a while and have been working with them.
[00:45:09] Lisa Woolfork: And I know that you and you also do a lot of other things in the online sewing community. What's what's up next for you? What are some garments you wanna get into for as we head into this season of changing weather? How's that
[00:45:21] Sone Seere: looking for you? Yeah, I'm, I'm really excited because
[00:45:26] Sierra Burrell: I can be all over the place when it comes to making things, which is fine.
[00:45:31] Sierra Burrell: Yes. But I wanted to make sure I could make a fall garment collection, whatever you wanna call it. So I did the sea work has a design your wardrobe project, or. Thing that they do. And it just guides you through like concept to like completion. And so I actually, I was like, I'm gonna actually do this instead of just fake doing it.
[00:45:58] Sierra Burrell: Now, I, I did read [00:46:00] through rather than watching every single video, but I did that. And then I was like, all cool. So part of that process, I like picked a color palette. I used some of the fabric, it's all fabric for my stash. Mm-hmm , which is amazing. It's really great to use. And I was like, wow,
[00:46:17] Lisa Woolfork: you just shopping your
[00:46:18] Sone Seere: stash?
[00:46:20] Sierra Burrell: Finally. That's not to say that I'm not buying fabric right now, because that would be a lie. But for this particular project, I, I, I was like, I'm gonna use my stash. It's here. Like just use it. Don't just look at it and pet the fabric. And then I, I sketched the. On my, my body model Crow key, cuz it helped me understand, okay, this is where I want the HYN to hit.
[00:46:41] Sierra Burrell: And this is how much ease I want this to be. And maybe I'll make it in this size. So I'm really looking forward to making those garments. Like I have the fabric over there. I have the patterns cut out. I just have to sit down and do it. Yeah. So that's my big thing. I'm really excited. And then I can
[00:46:57] Sone Seere: finally have a sketch to finish thing.
[00:46:59] Sone Seere: [00:47:00] Um,
[00:47:00] Sierra Burrell: I'm looking forward to all the mustard and teal and bet orange makes out I'll have for whatever season. This is because apparently Georgia has like a fake fall. Oh. Like my air is back on. I don't understand very confusing, but that is my next big thing. And I'll still do stuff in between, but I'm excited to have a cohesive little, I'm not gonna call it capsule collection cuz that doesn't really fit for me.
[00:47:30] Sierra Burrell: But
[00:47:31] Lisa Woolfork: I love it. You know what I love about you talking about the body model and the CRO key when it goes back to what? So Ray was just saying that you can allow your body to be your canvas, and absolutely when we see your collection and your projects for the fall, the colors you're describing, it really is a beautiful illustration of you are your canvas.
[00:47:55] Lisa Woolfork: And so using the body model and, and the drawing and the sketching [00:48:00] and the coloring, and to look to see where is this gonna hit me, or what do I want here for this hem rise? And it, that's just really beautiful. And it does it just cements this idea about sewing as a tool of liberation and empowerment that you absolutely, you'll never, again, be limited by what some department store thinks you should be wearing.
[00:48:21] Sierra Burrell: Yes. This my body, I wear what I want. Okay.
[00:48:24] Sone Seere: Right.
[00:48:25] Lisa Woolfork: here. Here. What about you SA Ray, do you have any upcoming exciting sewing projects or art projects or both?
[00:48:34] Sone Seere: So I will. It's a, um, two part thing, but one, the first part is inspired by era because a couple weeks ago I went down to visit with her and spent some time.
[00:48:46] Sone Seere: I think it was a couple weeks. I don't know what time is. So I went there sometime this year and we did this sort of Marie conduiting of her fabric stash. We, uh, went through everything cuz it was in different [00:49:00] like stages of, I guess, putting away. I think everybody can relate to that if you are a fabric collector.
[00:49:05] Sone Seere: Yes. And uh, so we went through and she was able to touch everything. We would talk about it or laugh. We would decide, is this going to me? Is it going to stay in her stash or is she donating it? And then we had this sort of assembly line where we would, I would fold it back and we put the, um, boards in there and decide where it was going and seeing how that even sparked renewal and Sierra sewing.
[00:49:32] Sone Seere: I was like, oh, I can't wait to get back and start organizing my fabric too. And it also made me think about at least your system of categorizing or organizing your fabric. I just, I will never forget when you were showing me how you have the notebook and the fabric suggestions. You have the, the swatch book.
[00:49:54] Sone Seere: Like those are goals. I'm not there yet, but I'm on my way. The first part of what I want to do is continue to [00:50:00] organize the stuff I have. So that the part of me that likes to be free and creative can still benefit from some structure. And so that I'm not buying the same things or . Because that happens too sometimes, but because I'm so visual, it helps to have things organized visually too.
[00:50:17] Sone Seere: Yes. I do want to take on the, I'll say task. I would like to make some jeans. I didn't, I know Sierra's so excited. I don't think I necessarily had the desire so much before now, but again, getting to see the things that my sister's making and her sort of explaining that jeans is just, you've done some difficult projects before.
[00:50:40] Sone Seere: It's just more steps. So I'm gonna make a pair of jeans. And I also, this is probably at least a year away because I've been getting so many like compliments and questions about sewing, wanting to look into I'm using my studio to teach some very small, [00:51:00] basic sewing classes, particularly for the women I encounter who are running into the same challenges.
[00:51:07] Sone Seere: With findings that, um, are unique to them as well. So I have to make sure I balance that because another thing that my sister and I talk about is we get excited about opportunities. Yeah. And is we take them along, we look up and our plate is like, oh my goodness. Yes.
[00:51:24] Lisa Woolfork: Is, is this a plate or a platter? When did this happen, miss?
[00:51:27] Lisa Woolfork: Oh my gosh. Say nothing. How do I always say
[00:51:29] Sone Seere: yes. And then I'm like, I'm so tired. And in closing that out, is that everything that I'm thinking about, even if I think about the next year wanting to do so in a way that, uh, allows me more free time, that allows me more of a choice to do that. I've traditionally been someone who takes on a lot of commissions mm-hmm and I feel blessed to have that many.
[00:51:55] Sone Seere: But I have to be very vigilant about my boundaries [00:52:00] with my time and balancing that with the things that I do wanna take on. So anything that I'm putting my, my thoughts or my mind to coming up next is gonna be balanced and I'll add one thing and I know Sierra's gonna be like, oh my gosh, you're signing us up for something but we're gonna do this.
[00:52:17] Sone Seere: We keep talking about it. Okay. And we actually do it. We just have to structure it and record and do all that. We've decided like our team name is the sisters B. And one of the things we like doing is taking everyday songs and remixing them to fit into the fabric and sewing world. So it is an elaborate ponding.
[00:52:44] Sone Seere: It is elaborate. We have a list that's growing of not only songs that we're remixing, but like stuff that needs to go on. T-shirts. But there's a whole video. I'll give you a little sneak, uh, peak. I'm not gonna sing it, but I will tell you the song, [00:53:00] um, year, like I'm done with Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson, the girl is mine.
[00:53:08] Sone Seere: So we have an concepted that we are going to remake the NIO, but instead of the girl's mind, it's the fabric's mine. So we have this whole, yeah. So I'm gonna say 20, 21, 20 22, look out for the sisters B mix tape. It is sure to be a hot mess, but a good laugh.
[00:53:29] Lisa Woolfork: It hits. I was saying it is supposed to be a. I would love to get, can I hit something?
[00:53:35] Lisa Woolfork: The fabric is mine. I love it. I am so excited. I can imagine y'all like walking down the aisles of the fabric store and both hands reach for the same bolt of fabric. You're back and forth about who needs more. Who needs it more you? Oh my goodness. The thing that my husband loves to quote to me is that, is it the old
[00:53:58] Sone Seere: do oh, cut it way too hot.
[00:53:59] Sone Seere: Cut it. [00:54:00]
[00:54:00] Lisa Woolfork: Yeah. Yeah. Loves it. He's he'll pick up a piece of fabric and song. He's Lisa, this fabric's way too big. You need to cut it
[00:54:09] Sone Seere: song too. Yes. Love it's so much fun.
[00:54:14] Lisa Woolfork: Yeah, I cannot wait. And I hope that when y'all mix tape drops, that you will come back to the please podcast, um, for no listening session. A special listening section of the sisters be mix tape.
[00:54:29] Lisa Woolfork: There's a fabric edition. There's a sew edition. There's the UNS sewing edition. Yep. Have all the bad words in it. There's all. Yeah. There's all sorts of things that are in the works. When we, before we leave, tell us where we can find you all on social media. I will, I'll be sure to include the links, um, to your projects in the show notes.
[00:54:48] Lisa Woolfork: How can people find you and follow you on Instagram and other parts of the
[00:54:53] Sierra Burrell: internet
[00:54:53] Sone Seere: world? Yeah, I'm
[00:54:55] Sierra Burrell: on Instagram at Sierra Burl. That's my name. And I've [00:55:00] had it for a long time, so I'm not gonna change that. I also have a blog called seems like Sierra and I post intermittently on there.
[00:55:08] Sone Seere: And how about you?
[00:55:08] Sone Seere: My Instagram handle is at just Ray, J S R E. And my website is www dot, just ray.com. So J U S R E.
[00:55:22] Lisa Woolfork: I am just so grateful to you. Oh my goodness. I forgot. I can look, I forgot to mention this. You all the stitch please logo with the Afro and the sewing notions flying out of her hair that was designed and gifted to the stitch please podcast by.
[00:55:38] Lisa Woolfork: So Ray
[00:55:39] Sone Seere: and so, and I was honored to even be asked. It was, believe you
[00:55:43] Lisa Woolfork: me. It's so beautiful. And it's so beautiful. It's so loving. I love it so much. And one of our friends, Naomi is convinced that it is her. This is me. Mm-hmm so I've got so yeah, so I gotta make sure I, yeah, this is obviously my face on [00:56:00] here, so yeah, I just.
[00:56:02] Lisa Woolfork: Thank you so much sore and Sierra for being with us today. This has been a delightful, beautiful, generous episode. I am so excited for it to hit the light of day. Thank you also for your patience and being on the zoom today. So for those who are listening to the podcast, I hope you've enjoyed this interview.
[00:56:20] Lisa Woolfork: If you are a Patreon subscriber, you'll get to see, um, the video as well, which is glorious, um, to look at our lovely faces and spaces, but this has been a delight. Thank you so super much. Y'all are
[00:56:33] Sierra Burrell: amazing.
[00:56:35] Sone Seere: You're amazing. We, you are amazing. We be the mirrors. We be the mirrors. You're the mirror. So thank you, Lisa, for continuing to be your generous, uh, funny, silly, but wisdom filled and pioneering.
[00:56:52] Sone Seere: That's the word, pioneering in this world as a beautiful black woman who sews and takes on so many things [00:57:00] don't ever forget. Like you, you're a pioneer. And, uh, I think we're just really delighted to have met you and to get to share space with you. So thank you for including
[00:57:12] Lisa Woolfork: us. Excellent. Excellent. All the loving hearts, all the loving hearts y'all are a delight.
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[00:58:26] Lisa Woolfork: Thank you so much. Come back next week and we'll help you get your stitch together there.